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by Glenn N. Holliman
On the Trail of the Illinois Hollomans!
Below, Joseph Parker of Texas, and soon-to-be-Florida, offers some important clues that may answer Betty's mystery. Joe is no stranger to those who follow Hollyman genealogy. His mind is filled with decades of research and reasoning on Hollemans, Hollimans, Holimans, Hollomans and all the various American spellings. In short, he is the go-to-person, a living encyclopedia of stories and lineages. Our thanks to Joe for once again helping to fill-in-the-blanks of a cousin's genealogy! - GNH
A Possible Answer to Betty's Riddle
by Joseph Parker
by Joseph Parker
In my notes, someplace, you will find many of the Hollemans/Hollomans/Hollomons that moved into the lower three or four counties of Illinois - some prior to Statehood of Illinois in 1818. I don't have all the information before my eyes at this time, but three of those counties were Pope, Union, Randolph, and another that I can't name at this time.
Right, Joe Parker, Hollyman Genealogist Extraordinaire!
When Wilson Holleman and his two sons, Moody Holleman and Josiah John Holleman, left Surry County, Virginia between early 1796 and before 1800, they moved over to Muhlenberg County, Kentucky (western Kentucky south of Illinois and the Ohio River) where they were in 1803 (from records). Along the way, I believe that they stopped in eastern Tennessee where many of the Hollemans were then located, and then moved on to western Tennessee and then Kentucky.
In doing so, I believe that this family took some of the Hollemans/Hollomans with them; and most probably, Hickman Holloman, William Holloman, and a James Holliman (spelling derived from local records of the times). Also traveling was a younger son of Wilson's, Edmund Holleman.
Records of Edmund indicate he served in Indian Wars around 1812 with Zachary Taylor. He then moved over to Union County, Illinois, where he met and married Martha Thornton (citation from the William Thornton Bible).
In 1818, Edmund and Josiah John then moved down the Mississippi River to Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and thence over to Lawrence County, Mississippi, where Moody married and settled down. But Josiah John and Edmund with their families then proceeded to move back to Tennessee.
However, Edmund went back to Union County, Illinois. When he died about 1828, Martha then proceeded to move on south to Clark County, Arkansas where she married again and lived out her life there.
My records of southern Illinois were hard to come by, and very few and far between. I believe that those Hollemans located in southern Illinois are from the same family of Wilson Holleman - hence, my own family (which arrived later in Texas). - Joseph Parker
So Betty, perhaps Edmund of Union County, Illinois, a county in the southern part of the state adjacent to Johnson and Polk Counties, may be the missing link to your great great grandfather, James Holloman? And you may be rather closely related to Joe!
Our Hollyman Ancestry.com administrator, Jeanette Holiman Stewart, has responded to Joe's insightful words above with additional information and questions. Her comments are below followed by Joe's affirmation of her insights. It is grand to have these two fantastic chroniclers of our family's history share their knowledge and continue to 'fill in the blanks' on this American story. - GNH
From Jeanette Holiman Stewart -
Below, Jeanette in her office keeping the Hollyman
Ancestry.com tree intact and accurate. She has
close to 40,000 names now in the database!
close to 40,000 names now in the database!
In the tree we have this James Holleman b
abt 1770 in Surry County, Virginia. Betty's James Holloman that married Lorinda
Davis was b abt 1803 in Virginia. The birth dates for both of those James are
not arbitrary, I may have them off a bit, but thirty years or so is a leap.
Many people have attempted to tie the James that married Lorinda Davis to William Holleman (the s/o Arthur Holleman Sr). This William Holleman died in Southampton, Virginia in 1803. Now we know that Arthur and Joseph were brothers, so their kids may have been close and some may have done this migration together. Just things to ponder, but I really need Joe and Betty's wisdom to untangle this a bit. - Jeanette Holiman Stewart
Many people have attempted to tie the James that married Lorinda Davis to William Holleman (the s/o Arthur Holleman Sr). This William Holleman died in Southampton, Virginia in 1803. Now we know that Arthur and Joseph were brothers, so their kids may have been close and some may have done this migration together. Just things to ponder, but I really need Joe and Betty's wisdom to untangle this a bit. - Jeanette Holiman Stewart
Jeanette, you are absolutely correct. As to the notes on Martha Thornton, those are with the notes that I passed on to Glenn, or, those notes that I have lent to Lynn Holliman.
In late 1832, early 1833, Martha Thornton Holleman married again
to Peter Lettherhead and moved on to Clark Co., AR - or - moved on down
to Clark Co., AR where her parents were then living, and then married
there. The settlement folder where the estate of Edmund Holleman was
decided in Illinois, is empty, with no known disposition of any goods
noted. Martha Thornton was the daughter of William Thornton, and the
Bible Record of William Thornton is on record some place. William
Thornton died someplace in Texas after 1840.
I have a feeling that that the birth of James Holleman/Holloman(?)
is in Tennessee - but, where, and whose parents are his, is still a mystery to
me, at this time. I was never able to find enough records of Tennessee to
clarify much of my information. There is always that possibility that he
was a brother to Hickman Holliman.
The Census Records of Lawrence Co., MS, taken in 1818 for
application to Statehood purposes by Mississippi, does show Josiah John
Holleman and his family in that area, beside Edmond Hollomon, wife, and female
child - as best I remember. (Those records copies are in my notes, which
are now in the hands of Glenn Holliman in that large black loose leaf binder
that I gave in Virginia - possibly marked "Book 2".) In
January, 1820, the US Census taken in a county of TN at that time, does show
Josiah John Holleman and family there at that time (it also gives a definite possibility that the son of Josiah John and wife, could have been born in MS
rather than all the following statements that William Arthur Holleman was born
in TN.) It also shows an Edmund Holliman, with wife, but not child, in
that TN county. Edmund was known, by records, of having returned to
Illinois not later than 1825, when he was then a militia man at that time
there.
Jeanette, this has some good thoughts about it. There is a
"time-frame" that would allow such a son to join Wilson and family in
KY in the years just after 1803. It IS an intriguing possibility that
such is feasible - but, that paperwork is missing. I have found no
official paperwork for southern Illinois prior to Statehood in 1818, other than
a few land grants by the Federal Government. Further research is
required. - Joe Parker
The above is an excellent example of how knowledgeable genealogists using research and citations work through the often complicated detective work to ascertain our ancestors. We of the Hollyman families are so fortunate to have Joe and Jeanette dedicated to accurately sharing their abundant knowledge. - GNH
For additional information on Holliman families (Hollyman spelled numerous ways), these platforms are available.
Hollyman Ancestry.com - managed by Jeanette Holiman Stewart at htreekeeper@outlook.com
Hollyman Facebook - managed by Tina Peddie at desabla1@yahoo.com
www.bholliman.com - a virtual archives of Hollyman and allied families managed by Glenn N. Holliman
http://ulyssholliman.blogspot.com - managed by Glenn N. Holliman
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